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Kopstuk 4: Ariel Levy (the New Yorker)

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Shownotes

In our first 'international' episode, Rutger talks to Ariel Levy, staff writer at The New Yorker. She wrote a book about the death of her prematurely born son, and Rutger had just become a father, so the conversation is mostly about life's animalistic aspects, and how to deal with them.